In this second episode of a series about Herbal Support Through Repression, Nicole (she/her) shares her personal experiences of state repression.
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- Herbalism, PTSD and Traumatic Stress Course – https://solidarityapothecary.org/herbalismandptsdcourse/
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Transcript
Welcome to the Frontline Herbalism Podcast with your host, Nicole Rose, from the
Nicole:Solidarity Apothecary.
Nicole:This is your place for all things plants and
Nicole:liberation.
Nicole:Let's get started.
Nicole:Hello.
Nicole:Welcome back to the Frontline Herbalism
Nicole:Podcast.
Nicole:So this episode today is a kind of introduction to state repression from my own
Nicole:experiences and sharing my story of repression from.
Nicole:Which is, like, written in the Herbalism and State Violence book.
Nicole:And, you know, I say this at the end of the episode, but I just want to say it at
Nicole:beginning that, like, this is,
Nicole:you know, my own unique context in the sense of, like, being a white person in England and
Nicole:Wales and being a CIS woman and, yeah, being active in a kind of, like, social movement.
Nicole:It's not talking about repression in terms of, like, daily state violence, like the,
Nicole:you know, classism and racism and the border regime and like, all the other things that I
Nicole:talk about.
Nicole:Anna, in the Herbalism and State Violence
Nicole:book, like, this sort of section focuses specifically on repression as, like, a tactic
Nicole:to stop movements achieving, you know,
Nicole:kind of liberatory goals.
Nicole:And. Yeah, so I just want to premise that.
Nicole:That it's my own experience.
Nicole:And I know that might be, like, alienating to some people.
Nicole:Well, I'm sure to lots of people, but I know that other people,
Nicole:like, from,
Nicole:you know, maybe who are from the UK for example, or have a similar background to me,
Nicole:might find it kind of.
Nicole:Yeah. Validating, or you might feel some resonance.
Nicole:And. Yeah, just that, like, the state is violent in all forms, like, all over the
Nicole:world, whether that's torturing prisoners in Belarus or sexually assaulting prisoners in
Nicole:Palestine.
Nicole:You know, like, there is just, like, no end to
Nicole:the violence of the state and like, multiple different forms of repression.
Nicole:And. Yeah, this is just like one.
Nicole:One context, which.
Nicole:Yeah,
Nicole:anyway, that's.
Nicole:That's my disclaimer.
Nicole:And, yeah, just, I guess, like, content warning.
Nicole:I do talk about all the things.
Nicole:Well, I kind of briefly touch on all the
Nicole:things, but I don't explicitly go into prison very much, but I talk about,
Nicole:you know, arrests and raids and things like that.
Nicole:So, anyway, thank you for listening.
Nicole:Please don't forget to check out the Hawthorne
Nicole:offering that is open for application for another week.
Nicole:Actually, check that before you, because I'm not 100% sure when I can publish this, but
Nicole:it's open from the 6th of the applications, close from the 6th of August.
Nicole:So please get your applications in before then.
Nicole:And I can see my baby coming up the path, so I better go.
Nicole:But, yeah, thank you for listening.
Nicole:Hello.
Nicole:Okay, so this is the introduction to State Repression from the Herbalism and State
Nicole:Violence Book and it starts with a quote from the book Nietzsche and Anarchy Psychology for
Nicole:Free,
Nicole:Ontology for Social War by Shahin and it says whenever we seriously threaten the state and
Nicole:capital, they will turn on us with extreme force.
Nicole:From the outset, we need to build the capacity and skills for combat to support our struggle
Nicole:and to support life.
Nicole:We need to create our networks of care.
Nicole:In this section of the book I give some insight into some of the tactics of state
Nicole:repression and where herbal solidarity is an option to support people's bodies and nervous
Nicole:systems as they endure and try to resist resist whatever the state has in store for
Nicole:them.
Nicole:One definition of repression is that it is the process by which,
Nicole:and this isn't quotes, the dominant hegemonic order attempts to maintain power by
Nicole:destroying, rendering harmless or appeasing those organizations,
Nicole:people, groups or ideologies that potentially threaten their position of power or privilege.
Nicole:Hegemonic, in simple terms means the powers that have dominance.
Nicole:For anyone involved in any kind of social struggle, you will see state repression in
Nicole:practice,
Nicole:heavy policing on demonstrations, character assassination in the media,
Nicole:lengthy court cases and prison sentences, new laws and legislation to criminalize whatever
Nicole:campaign is in the headlines.
Nicole:As with all subjects covered in this book, how this violence is distributed is racialized,
Nicole:classed and gendered, and intersects with all other forms of oppression.
Nicole:State repression also operates to different extents and with different state tactics
Nicole:around the world.
Nicole:In Russia, political dissidents may be hung upside down and tortured with cattle prods.
Nicole:In Iran, women organizers may be raped and burned by police and their proxies.
Nicole:In Mexico, people may be murdered and disappeared.
Nicole:In Spain, people may be imprisoned far from their families for decades.
Nicole:Wherever there is a state or a group of people trying to maintain power through force, they
Nicole:will respond with violence and repression whenever that power is threatened.
Nicole:Unfortunately, many social movements commonly have a kind of amnesia, not learning from
Nicole:history or remembering the generations before them that suffered repression at the hands of
Nicole:the state.
Nicole:Anyone organizing for social change needs to be versed in the tactics of repression in
Nicole:whatever territory they live and organize in.
Nicole:For someone involved in anti repression work, I regularly see groups and campaigns fall by
Nicole:the wayside,
Nicole:almost shocked that they've been arrested or that the state have been planning operations
Nicole:against them.
Nicole:Even if you use quote unquote legal tactics or quote unquote peaceful protests, if you
Nicole:threaten power in any way you will attract repression.
Nicole:Therefore, developing infrastructure is vital.
Nicole:Whether this is a local anarchist Black Cross
Nicole:chapter that can support people in prison,
Nicole:or groups offering know your rights training for street actions, security, culture
Nicole:guidance, computer security or media training.
Nicole:Anti repression action comes in many forms and can build movements with greater resilience to
Nicole:inevitable state repression.
Nicole:Okay, so my experiences of repression.
Nicole:Growing up in a very macho animal liberation movement, it was extremely taboo to talk about
Nicole:the social, emotional or bodily impacts of repression.
Nicole:Whatever we were going through was nothing compared to the animals.
Nicole:And showing we were somehow being harmed was like awarding the state with a victory.
Nicole:Yet over the years, I saw the shock and impact of years of ongoing repression take its toll
Nicole:on even the most dedicated and defiant of organizers.
Nicole:The state effectively crushed our campaign to close down Europe's largest animal testing
Nicole:company.
Nicole:I learned that a small group of people can achieve a lot, but ultimately we will always
Nicole:come up against the power of the state.
Nicole:This is why I'm an anarchist.
Nicole:I know that it will take an entire social
Nicole:revolution to challenge that kind of state power.
Nicole:Individuals, targeted campaigns and collectives can be crushed, but whole
Nicole:movements or entire populations of resistance are harder to break.
Nicole:Likewise, the commitment and vision of liberation remains strong in people's hearts
Nicole:despite many decades of state repression.
Nicole:My own experiences would have been radically different with organized political and social
Nicole:support.
Nicole:Now that I'm organizing support for others, it amazes me that I went through most of the
Nicole:repression I experienced alone, especially before prison.
Nicole:No one collected me at the police station, no one organized a support group, no fundraising
Nicole:or donations.
Nicole:After my livelihood and home was smashed to
Nicole:bits.
Nicole:No help with understanding all the legal paperwork, no political solidarity.
Nicole:Instead, the opposite.
Nicole:A lot of hostility.
Nicole:That our campaign had attracted the repression and we were, through our militancy, to blame.
Nicole:Lack of support is a common dynamic that makes experiences more traumatizing.
Nicole:So what happened? Back in the:Nicole:animal liberation movement in the UK was thriving.
Nicole:Breeders of laboratory animals were being shut down left, right and centre.
Nicole:Through grassroots campaigns and direct action.
Nicole:People were sabotaging fox hunts en masse.
Nicole:The fur industry was destroyed through raids.
Nicole:The Animal Liberation Front was in full effect.
Nicole:It was accepted that prison was inevitable for people in the movement.
Nicole:And many people moved in and out of prison on generally shorter, although sometimes longer,
Nicole:sentences.
Nicole:It felt like power was on our side.
Nicole:Somehow the police and the state couldn't keep
Nicole:up with this wild grassroots movement and the phenomenal public support behind it.
Nicole:I started my first animal rights group when I was 10 years old.
Nicole:@ school,
Nicole:I spent my weekends scrambling my bus fare together from my paper round to get to
Nicole:Bristol, the nearest city, and get a lift to local and national demonstrations.
Nicole:I saw people tear down fences on demos, police charge at us on horses, and friends have their
Nicole:ribs cracked by police attacks right in front of my eyes.
Nicole:As I grew up and policing became heavier, I saw tactics change to shorter and faster
Nicole:mobile demos and more covering up of faces and anonymity.
Nicole:Above ground actions were being pushed into a more underground style and the security risks
Nicole:blurred between them.
Nicole:By the time I was 16 years old, my first
Nicole:boyfriend went to prison after a home demonstration.
Nicole:At 17 years old, my next boyfriend was sentenced to a year for a fray.
Nicole:After an altercation with and fox hunters.
Nicole:It became absolute normality for friends and loved ones to be in prison and prison visits,
Nicole:calls and letter writing became a regular part of my week.
Nicole:I got my own house raided for the first time at 17, laughing it off as part of the macho
Nicole:environment the movement raised me in.
Nicole:When I was just 19 years old, the police smashed through my door on the quote unquote
Nicole:big charge.
Nicole:In May:Nicole:Huntington Animal Cruelty, the grassroots campaign to close down Huntington Life
Nicole:Sciences.
Nicole:This is Europe's largest animal testing company that murdered over 200,000 animals
Nicole:every year.
Nicole:This was one chapter in a wave of organized state repression that lasted over 10 years.
Nicole:The charge was conspiracy to blackmail, which means making unwarranted demands with the
Nicole:threat of menaces.
Nicole:The premise of the charge was that because HLS
Nicole:is a legal company,
Nicole:our demands for people to cease trading with them were quote unquote unwarranted.
Nicole:And the menaces were the tactics we were using that included phone calls and emails to
Nicole:demonstrations to property damage.
Nicole:On a personal level, the police destroyed the
Nicole:house my ex and I were renting in the valleys of South Wales.
Nicole:Smashing up the banister, breaking the bath, pulling up the carpets.
Nicole:The landlord saw us on TV and kicked us out.
Nicole:I came out of the police station alone while my ex was held for longer and found that our
Nicole:foster dog hadn't been taken into kennels like the police said they would do.
Nicole:And instead he was left alone in the kitchen with no food or water,
Nicole:shaking when I found him.
Nicole:His response to loud noises, his changed
Nicole:temperament and tendency to cower and shake for months afterwards, taught me a lesson in
Nicole:traumatic stress and how non human animals can show us the impact of an experience more
Nicole:obviously than we can observe it in ourselves.
Nicole:Three others were directly reminded to prison, while the rest of the group had strict bowel
Nicole:conditions, not allowing us to speak to our friends, publish content on the Internet and
Nicole:all kinds of other legalistic restrictions.
Nicole:Court dates were constantly pushed back over and over again,
Nicole:leading to constant uncertainty and stress.
Nicole:Two years of court hearings ensued, then finally a major trial where everyone was found
Nicole:guilty of conspiracy to blackmail.
Nicole:The state got what they wanted eventually.
Nicole:12 of us were in prison, with the longest
Nicole:sentence being 11 years.
Nicole:I received three and a half.
Nicole:As I share more in the prison section of this book, I went to prison as a 21 year old and
Nicole:served just under two years in total.
Nicole:Despite many people in the movement saying we should quote, unquote, treat prison like a
Nicole:holiday.
Nicole:In all honesty, it was violent and traumatizing and one of the most dehumanising
Nicole:experiences of my life.
Nicole:But the repression was not over.
Nicole:On release from prison in England, you have a
Nicole:license, which means if you are released early from prison, generally kind of halfway through
Nicole:your sentence, but it's not guaranteed and it depends on the length and type of your
Nicole:sentence,
Nicole:you will have a set of conditions you have to adhere to,
Nicole:otherwise you will get recalled back to prison.
Nicole:These conditions vary from living at a certain address to not having intimate relationships
Nicole:without permission.
Nicole:Due to the political nature of our case, I had a ream of conditions about not interacting
Nicole:with anyone concerned with animal welfare overnight.
Nicole:I was not allowed to speak to nearly all of my friends for fear of going back to prison and
Nicole:this lasted for nearly two years.
Nicole:The loneliness was designed to make us pro social again and disconnect us from political
Nicole:struggles.
Nicole:It was incredibly effective at ensuring most
Nicole:people in the case did not return to grassroots organising.
Nicole:We were also given ASBOs antisocial behaviour orders.
Nicole:A repressive mechanism developed to target working class communities to restrict their
Nicole:antisocial behaviour, such as drinking in parks.
Nicole:In our case, if we campaigned around vivisection again, we would face up to five
Nicole:years in prison and three people from the campaign were given lifelong ASBOs.
Nicole:This ASBO was triggered when we were released from prison, which meant by the time it was
Nicole:over,
Nicole:we had been living with these restrictions for over a decade, where returning to prison had
Nicole:been constantly over our heads.
Nicole:The many tactics of state repression.
Nicole:It wasn't until somehow we emerged from the personal fallout of repression that it became
Nicole:possible to really grasp the bigger picture of what had been happening in the movement.
Nicole:We were on the crest of a wave of intensified repression.
Nicole:It wasn't just the mass arrests, house raids,
Nicole:prison sentences or physical violence on demonstrations and mass policing efforts.
Nicole:We'd learned that the State had spent 2.1 million on the operation to end the campaign,
Nicole:including putting 12 of us under surveillance for nearly two years beforehand.
Nicole:The murky world of undercover informants, relationship sabotage and media slander also
Nicole:came to light.
Nicole:New legislation specifically targeting campaigns against animal testing had been
Nicole:enacted in Luo, which would be used to later target groups that dared to still challenge
Nicole:vivisection.
Nicole:An entire police unit, the National Extremism
Nicole:Tactical Coordination Unit,
Nicole:had been developed specifically to influence the media, with press releases documenting the
Nicole:campaign in an effort to persuade the public that our actions were rooted in quote,
Nicole:unquote, extremism and terrorism.
Nicole:The personal impacts of repression and this is from a book called OS A Crime Called Freedom.
Nicole:Sorry if I've pronounced that wrong.
Nicole:It's a really amazing book, by the way.
Nicole:The state treats delinquents en masse as a social danger, but demolishes them one by one.
Nicole:In my herbalism, PTSD and traumatic stress course, there is a module all about trauma and
Nicole:common trauma dynamics.
Nicole:These explore what can make an experience particularly traumatizing or more
Nicole:traumatizing.
Nicole:Loneliness, isolation and lack of support are some of the largest factors through
Nicole:repression.
Nicole:It was the lack of support that carried the
Nicole:biggest weight for me.
Nicole:I felt betrayed, lost and alone.
Nicole:There was no one at the police station waiting for me on release.
Nicole:There was no organised support group that could help with fundraising or actions outside
Nicole:the court.
Nicole:Living on benefits without a safety net or a family with money meant that every time there
Nicole:was a court appearance, it was literally a choice between travel expenses and eating that
Nicole:week.
Nicole:It was enormously stressful to manage the fear and anxiety of thinking I was going to get 12
Nicole:years in prison, which was the sentence others had received in a previous blackmail case.
Nicole:I left home at 16 and didn't finish formal education or A levels at college.
Nicole:I'm also dyslexic, and legal work feels incredibly intimidating.
Nicole:I had no idea how to approach the folders and boxes worth of case papers and legal
Nicole:paperwork.
Nicole:I didn't know what to advocate for with the
Nicole:solicitors or how the whole thing worked.
Nicole:People told us they were scared to be associated with us.
Nicole:They were afraid to be pulled into the web of repression.
Nicole:This is why no one called to check if my partner or I were okay.
Nicole:The feeling of betrayal still flows through me, and it's hard to feel any political
Nicole:affinity with the animal liberation movement after these experiences.
Nicole:People blamed us for bringing the repression on ourselves, that we went too far,
Nicole:that it was our fault, that the whole movement had been impacted.
Nicole:Even within the group of defendants, we were legally disallowed from communicating with
Nicole:each other,
Nicole:which compounded the isolation and led to dirty tactics like defendants distancing
Nicole:themselves from you to achieve shorter sentences.
Nicole:Overall, it was a **** show.
Nicole:And what did this all create? It led to the destruction of many
Nicole:relationships.
Nicole:It highly impacted my nervous system,
Nicole:leading to years of constant fight or flight and activation that was hard to unravel.
Nicole:Prison itself caused me to develop PTSD and being haunted by nightmares and intrusive
Nicole:thoughts and flashbacks for many years before being able to access treatment and support.
Nicole:I developed chronic health issues and a vivid understanding of how trauma shapes the body.
Nicole:These experiences were all on top of a very challenging childhood with many of the trauma
Nicole:dynamics repeating themselves.
Nicole:Ultimately, it created a feeling of loneliness and alienation socially, emotionally and
Nicole:politically for many years before I was able to process, integrate and heal from these
Nicole:experiences,
Nicole:mostly by throwing myself into anti repression efforts to make sure no one felt alone like I
Nicole:and others had at the time.
Nicole:The Movement Effects of Repression While I often speak about the importance of anti
Nicole:repression work because of the traumatic impacts of repression and on the individual,
Nicole:a bigger purpose to it all is because repression takes its toll on what we are
Nicole:trying to achieve as movements.
Nicole:In our case it meant that the murderous vicinity that was HLS remained open and the
Nicole:animals continued to be tortured for other campaigns.
Nicole:It may mean that sacred mountains get destroyed, prisons get built or people get
Nicole:deported.
Nicole:Whatever we are fighting for, repression aims to render us ineffective.
Nicole:It aims to not only prevent groups from achieving their goals, but commonly carries
Nicole:the aim to completely destroy or end groups, campaigns and movements.
Nicole:In our case, we later learned the police called it leadership decapitation.
Nicole:They wanted to cut the head off our movement, which tells you something about the violence
Nicole:of their actions.
Nicole:Repression creates a broad culture of fear and can commonly lead to the pacification of
Nicole:movement tactics.
Nicole:For example, this may involve the co option of militant tactics and radical visions for
Nicole:change into more legalistic forms of organizing.
Nicole:This may involve funneling energy into parliamentary quote unquote democracy and
Nicole:lobbying,
Nicole:or even the focus on consumer choices and corporate relationships as happened with
Nicole:radical veganism which was once very intersectional and focused on direct action
Nicole:and eventually evolved into green capitalism whereby the focus is less on what we do and
Nicole:more on what we buy.
Nicole:Energies may also be co opted into what is known as the not for profit industrial
Nicole:Complex.
Nicole:The group Incite Women of Color Against Violence published the book the Revolution
Nicole:Will not be funded in:Nicole:political goals are often co opted to serve government grant making and foundation
Nicole:interests.
Nicole:Instead of building movements, the focus shifts to building NGOs.
Nicole:I'd highly encourage anyone involved in social change work of different kinds to read the
Nicole:book and explore these tensions.
Nicole:Likewise, repression leads to the destruction of relationships and loss of comrades.
Nicole:People step back from organizing either through fear or lack of support.
Nicole:They burn out and drop out, disappearing from movements due to trauma and chronic health
Nicole:issues and a general lack of collective care.
Nicole:We can never build powerful movements for change if we fail to take care of each other
Nicole:and leave people behind.
Nicole:Herbalism is a beautiful offering to help tend to people's frightened hearts, exhausted
Nicole:bodies, and fractured spirits when they are enduring repression.
Nicole:This is what this part of the book explores and this is what this podcast series explores.
Nicole:So yeah, that's just like a general little introduction to my experiences of repression.
Nicole:And you know, I put in a lot of disclaimers at the beginning of the Herbalism and State
Nicole:Violence book about privilege and class and whiteness and how I'm operating in like a very
Nicole:specific context which,
Nicole:you know, is still valid and will resonate with a lot of people like from England and
Nicole:Wales, for example, the so called us.
Nicole:But yeah, I just.
Nicole:This repression is really talking about like movements for liberation and it's not talking
Nicole:about just like the unrelenting violence right in the world where that is inflicted by the
Nicole:state.
Nicole:So anyway, I just wanted to give that little extra disclaimer.
Nicole:Thank you so much for listening.
Nicole:Thanks so much for listening to the Frontline Herbalism podcast.
Nicole:You can find the transcript, the links, all the resources from the
Nicole:show@solidarityapothecary.org podcast.