102 – Herbal Care Packages, Part Two

Welcome to the Frontline Herbalism Podcast with your host, Nicole Rose, from the

Solidarity Apothecary.

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liberation.

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Hello. Welcome back to the Frontline Herbalism Podcast.

Okay, I have a tiny bit of time while my mum is looking after the little ones, so I'm just

gonna dive straight into kind of part two of the Herbal care packages episode.

So in the last episode, I talked about the, like, various herbal care packages that I make

with the solidarity apothecary and the ingredients, like, the items that are included

in each pack and why,

and a little bit about the herbs that are included.

And in this episode, I'm gonna go into a bit more detail about the kind of logistics and

how I make them and a bit about fundraising and herbal safety.

But, yeah, we'll see how far we can get today.

So,

yeah, in terms of logistics, I think I mentioned this in the last episode, but I used

to just have, like, a more generic form that people would fill in and, you know, like, any

group could request, like, all sorts of different things.

And it just meant, like, that I had to create a lot of work kind of making those medicines

like,

like, from.

Not from scratch because I had, like, various

component parts.

But,

yeah, it was a bit different at the beginning and sort of like the first year of the

pandemic because it kind of,

you know,

it became, like, fairly consistent in terms of, like, a cold and flu pack.

So, you know, like, that was easier when groups requested it and things.

But, yeah, generally I used to be, like, very flexible.

And then I did this, like, herbal solidarity survey online and I asked.

I think, like, 60 people filled it in with their experiences of getting care packages or

just, like, following the Solar Apothecary online and like, their advice on, like,

different offerings and stuff.

I was so appreciative of everyone who filled it in and gave some, like, really amazing,

amazing input into the project.

But it was kind of clear that, like, people feel, A, that they don't feel, like, deserving

of medicine,

B,

don't know what to request, like, aren't familiar with specific herbs to request them,

and also,

yeah, like, are themselves dealing with all sorts of, like, information overwhelms.

So they also need a simple system.

I think it is amazing with organizer types, like, the psyche of martyrdom and self

sacrifice and, like, the amount of people that have requested a herbal care package and

they're just giving them all away to people they know rather than, like, taking any

themselves and then have felt uncomfortable asking for more and like,

I totally understand because like, I was so in that place for a really long time in terms of

like self neglect and martyrdom and kind of like not being able to receive and like ask

for resources and just giving, giving, giving.

So there's so many people that I know would love a care package that don't actually apply

for one.

And I think,

yeah, that's, that's like a consistent challenge that I need to overcome because

yeah, and I think before the baby I was like much more embedded in like different crews and

like bouncing up and forth to Bristol and going to demos and going to things and events

and like really part of strong networks and I.

And so it was like much easier to just be like, yo, request a package and I'll get it in

the post.

Whereas now I think people are like a bit

hesitant of requesting things from me because of knowing how overwhelming it is, like

looking after a baby and I'm doing it on my own at the moment.

That's a really long story which I will share when it's appropriate.

But anyway,

yeah, people struggle to request.

So there is like a level of like, I don't want

to say marketing, but there's like a level of like needing to have relationships where

people feel like safe and able to request a package.

And how I've made that as like streamlined as possible is through these online forms which

if you click on the link in the show notes, you can be taken to it.

So I use this amazing software called C Table,

which is a little bit like people might be familiar with like Airtable, which is like a

kind of corporate version.

But C Table is like an open source,

kind of like hybrid spreadsheet database.

And I know we've all got different brains, but

like this ******* software is like my brain.

Like I love it to death.

So it's kind of like a massive spreadsheet but you can have like all different kinds of like

field types and you can color code things and like you can create forms which aren't, you

know, like.

I mean I do use Google now and again but like that aren't like Google forms.

So people feel a bit safer like sharing that information.

And then yeah, I can just get a little notification, I can just log in and I can see

all of that essential information and it just like saves that back and forth of like, you

know.

Yeah, kind of getting the,

yeah, getting the details.

So for example, this anti repression pack

form.

So yeah, so I have different forms for the different packs because they all contain

different things.

So you know I'll ask how many people and how many packs.

I'll ask if there's anything people need to avoid.

I'll ask specifically about alcohol.

I'll ask if anyone's pregnant.

So, like, the majority of these medicines are, like,

you know, I would,

I would use them in pregnancy, but everyone is different.

And especially in early pregnancy, I'm like, very, very, very, very cautious, as is most

herbalists and health practitioners.

So, like, I wouldn't give someone rose, for

example, like, especially if they had a history of, like, pregnancy loss, because it

can help bring on menstruation and,

you know, likewise when you're pregnant, like, people are very sensitive to flavors and

tastes and, like, don't take alcohol.

So it needs to be in glycerin, but needs to be

like, teeny tiny amounts.

So anyway, I just.

I prefer to not to do something more bespoke.

If someone is pregnant.

I'll ask about medications because again,

most of the packs I've chosen, like, very safe herbs, the.

Which are, you know, in pretty low doses.

But for example, if someone was on, like,

hardcore antipsychotics, I would be very cautious about giving them like, skullcap tea.

I would feel fine about giving them like a chamomile glycerite or something, for example.

But yeah, I think it is worth just kind of like being aware.

And yeah, like, I, you know, I wouldn't include any, like, St. John's Wort or anything

like that, like, in my internal blends, like in a care package because of safety.

I'll ask for the name and postal address for sending medicines.

You won't believe how many people request things.

And then don't put contact details or like, an address for sending things.

So that's quite important.

I'll just put it all in one form.

Like, if a crew are public online and they

want me to, like, amplify their work, then I'll put that in there.

Just saying, like,

you know, do you want me to share about your case?

Like, is there any solidarity you're calling for?

Like, please include any links.

And I'm really bad at remembering to do this.

But then I do like to try and do like a post on Instagram or something about, oh, I sent

this care package to this crew, you can support them here, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah.

And then any other comments like, I'm ******* hopeless at managing my inbox at the moment

with Lee, which is why I have this wonderful assistant called Chantelle who I pay two hours

a week to just help manage the Support@Solidarity Apothecary Inbox and you

know I forward emails to her that you know,

things she can, she can help with and like I just find like a form just like keeps all that

information like centralized.

Like I'm happy to communicate over things like

signal with people or you know, encrypted emails and stuff.

But like it's so easy for me to just be in my herb shed, look at my C table, like see what

requests are in, like write the addresses down.

But this package and yeah I actually pay my mum £15 an hour to go, take everything to the

post office for me and like do the final packaging.

Like I'll put everything in piles and I'll write little cards and I also now I have these

amazing stamps that I bought from ABC Belarus and I guess Belarus Anarchist Black Cross in

their auction for like they were fundraising for all their amazing prisoner support work

and they were selling

these two like vintage stamps from like some of the first like Anarchist Black Cross groups

like in Ukraine and Anarchist Red Cross.

So I like stamp the back of my rose card with

the stamp just like that little bit of like magical like solidarity from our ancestors,

like resisting.

So anyway I'll do that stuff and write the cards and make sure the packs have got the

right ingredients and then I'll just put a post it note on it and my mum, bless her, will

package it up because you know she like welcomes the financial support with that.

So yeah, and then she'll take it to the post office and do all the customs forms and like

that.

So yeah it like you know my long term goal is

like I'd really love to just have like a dispensary assistant who can like help do all

these care packages and also like help with blends for people that I'm supporting one to

one and stuff.

Like I'm hoping the PTSD course makes enough money this September so that I can implement

that anyway.

So yeah, so that's my system.

It's like getting it all on this, all on this C table.

It's free to sign up to C table.

You know, I'm happy to share like how I've set up the backend with anyone interested and

yeah, have a different form for the different packs because like I mentioned the site of

resistance pack is like,

you know, more different and more bespoke and things.

So yeah, that's pretty much how I organize it.

And then just really simply I have like a dock

on my phone where I just keep a tiny inventory just of like the herbal care packages, things

I'M very fortunate that I have like a workshop building,

like herb shed, I call it.

So I, you know, I can store everything in there on like picking shelves and that just,

yeah, again, makes it much easier.

You know, there's like so many other logistical systems, like things like labels.

I use open office, so I use like 21 to a page labels with my logo and,

you know, the name of the blend and instructions and the best before day and the

medicine maker because, you know, people do come and help, like more.

So now I've had leap.

I will have help from some friends who are anonymous but really appreciative of them.

So,

yeah, I like to include who's kind of like done the medicine making if it's not me.

Yeah, so that's the, that's the logistics and then a little bit on the production side.

So,

yeah, I mean, it could be a very long episode talking about medicine making.

But if anyone has done my making herbal medicine,

Making Herbal Medicine with Glycerin course online,

I go into this method I use called the warm glycerite method, which is using slow cookers

and putting dried herb and a bit of water and glycerin in a slow cooker and having it on a

high heat for a few hours, turning off and then a low heat, leaving it overnight.

Depending on what you're infusing, it might take three days of that, it might take 12

hours.

Every plant is different, but, you know, you're not like boiling or burning the herb in

any way.

It's just like a slow, consistent heat.

So that is how I make medicine all year round.

Because any herbalist will know, like, when

you forage wild plants, it is like really seasonal.

So, you know,

like, for example, this week, like, I've been hard at it, trying to, you know, grab the last

of the elderberries and I've got some evening primrose growing.

And I can't remember what else I made this week.

But yeah, the hawthorne berries have just started.

So it's like,

yeah, I, you know, you have to kind of like work with those medicines when they're there,

which is like, amazing.

It's what I love about herbalism.

But when you're trying to make things in bulk, like, either you have to just like make it in

such a big quantity once a year or you need to work with dried herbs.

Right.

So,

you know, you can put dried herbs in alcohol to make tinctures.

And, you know, I've had some really fantastic tinctures like that.

But I do find that, like,

obviously Lots of herbalists have different approaches, but there's nothing better than

that.

Fresh herb tincture.

But with glycerin,

if you put a dried herb in glycerin without any heat, in my opinion, it's not gonna do

that much.

Like it's gonna struggle.

Whereas the heat is like really helping to like burst those plant cells open and kind of

get the constituents you're looking for.

There's lots of nuances to this, which is in my herbalism workshop in terms of what

glycerin is like, fantastic at extracting and what it's not good at not extracting.

I mean, it can extract everything.

Like, anyway,

please check out the workshop.

By the way.

It's just 30 squid.

No one turned away flak funds if you need an

access code.

But yeah, so basically I make these batches of warm glycerite and I do those like in bulk.

So I'll have like five or six slow cookers on the go, all making like ginger glycerite, for

example.

With ginger, you know, I've ordered and I've chopped up and it's been a mission and I just

make them all at once.

And then I've got like 15 liters of ginger

glycerite on my glycerite shelves.

And then I do the same with elderberries and then the same with thyme, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah.

And then I will combine those glycerites in

like a 2 liter jug, like at the ratios I want.

So for example, the immune tonic is like one part echinacea tincture.

It's like five parts like echinacea, elderberry, thyme,

ginger and turmeric.

So I'll put, you know, 200 mil of each one in

or whatever and stir it and then I'll decant that into little 125mil bottles,

which I get from a supplier called Ampulla.

And you know, these unfortunately are just

like amber plastic bottles that just come from,

you know, China.

So they're not like ethically sourced.

I don't think we have like ethically sourced plastic in the uk.

Yeah, the whole plastic versus glass thing is like really tough.

I just have had too many bad experiences of glass bottles breaking and they're really

heavy.

So yeah, I don't use them unless I'm like visibly having a client come visit me one to

one, and I can give it to them and they can take it away safely.

So yeah.

So anyway,

green, you know, ******* capitalism.

Ideally people would just grow their own herbs and make tea and not have Any packaging.

But it's just not how industrial civilization works right now.

Right, okay.

So yeah, so I make everything in bulk

basically.

There are a few ingredients that I buy in which I think I've mentioned.

So I will buy for example echinacea tincture because I don't grow enough echinacea.

I would like to start experimenting with echinacea glycerite.

But yeah, I have,

yeah for the alcohol free one I just don't include echinacea basically and just pop up a

little bit more time in elderberry.

So yeah, so I make the glycerites in bulk.

I buy like a handful of the tinctures.

I don't buy glycerites from anywhere because there isn't really anywhere that sell them at

the scale like that's affordable for me to make Planta medica which are like a fantastic

herbal co op who's who make amazing quality medicines.

Like I've bought loads of stuff from them and you know they helped us like literally pay for

the clinic in Calais for like two years.

So I've got a lot of time for them.

But yeah, they sell glycerite but they're like, you know it would just cost me like

thousands if I was going to make these care packages with medicine I was buying rather

than making.

So anyway, so yeah, so then I will try and like do everything at once and like make a

bunch of stuff in advance so that I can just have like a lot of stock there ready for

posting.

So maybe every two months, two, three months I'm like making medicine in bulk but you know

this scale is really scaled back because of the baby.

You know like before,

oh my God, I was a machine in terms of like how much medicine I could make and distribute.

Yeah. So that's, I think that's about it.

And then obviously the different things are

different, right? Like the muscle rubs, you know, like I can

make shitloads of them at once.

Like if I have high quantities of the infused oils or the lavender oil I will make in bulk.

I also teach these three day medicine making courses so they're a fantastic opportunity to

have loads of hands on deck for making medicine.

Like make, you know, you can make like shitloads of fireside of vinegar or shitloads

of lavender oil all together.

In the medium term I really want to host some medicine making sessions where people can be

like putting together these care packages and like you know, making cough syrup for Calais

and stuff like that.

And like please email support solidaritypathechry.org, if you're in the

Southwest of the UK and you're interested in that.

I'm trying to make it as, like, low maintenance as possible, but those nursery

days with the baby are so sacred that I just.

Yeah, I just can't.

I can't give up that time one to one with clients on calls or laptop time for that kind

of, like, community hosting stuff.

But,

yeah, I'm hoping to try and make that happen soon with like, a little bit more childcare

support.

Okay, so I think I've talked about how I make them.

Obviously there's like, so much stuff around good manufacturing practices and cleanliness

and infection control and, oh, my baby is here, so I'm gonna have to stop this there.

But yeah, that's a little bit about,

yeah, production logistics.

All right, so now I'm going to talk about fundraising.

And this is another ridiculous segment recorded in a car in the car park because of

the childcare situation.

But, yeah, I'm just gonna dive in.

I hope you aren't in, like, Disturbed by the

Rain.

Okay, so I just wanted to talk about fundraising because I know lots of people will

listen to everything I've shared about herbal care packages and then just be like, how the

do I afford all of this?

Because it sounds really expensive.

And I guess it is worth naming that it is expensive.

Like glycerin costs money.

Vodka or, you know, alcohol, grain alcohol,

whatever you're making your tinctures in costs money.

Those ****** little bottles cost money.

You know, like,

everything does cost money.

And so fundraising will have to be something that you integrate into your kind of, like,

project and workload.

But before I dive into that, I really just want to say, like, it is about scale.

So, like,

like, before I even had the solidarity apothecary, I was doing this on, like, such a

small scale to just mates, you know, and to comrades that I knew.

And I was just giving them, like, little glass bottles of things and handwritten labels and

little instructions and, like, it didn't need,

like, safety leaflets or to make like, you know,

2, 000 medicines at once.

Like, it could be small scale.

So I just want to say, like, start where you are.

Like, if it is a case of, like, you have some dried herbs from your community garden and you

want to distribute them to asylum seekers staying in local hotels,

then you could just like, package little, like, envelopes, right, with little elastic

bands.

Like, you can do things like very DIY and very

punk.

Like, I, you know, I've done that for a really

long time.

Like, the reason I Do things in this big a way is just like,

because you know, obviously like privilege is like a massive dynamic.

But yeah, I'm just really passionate about the soldier apothecary.

It's like my full time thing.

Like I want to be doing this work and you

know,

everyone's starting at a different place.

before I was making these little herbal care packages.

Like it's taken me years to get to this point where,

you know, I can send things all around the world.

I can pay for postage, I can make like hundreds of medicines at once or buy 3,000

bottles at once.

Like, you know, it's taken a long time to kind

of build this like community platform and like support a base to fundraise for this stuff.

So.

So yeah, just start where you are.

It doesn't matter like what scale you're at.

It might just be like, right.

I've got five friends in my group doing

solidarity stuff.

I just want to support them through the winter.

I'm just going to make a tiny batch of elderberry glycerite, free recipe on my

website, Shameless Plug.

And I'm just going to make that and I'm just going to keep my like support my crew.

Do you know what I mean? Like you can just, yeah, literally just start

where you are.

Okay. So yeah, it is, it is generally like quite hard to track costs because for me at

least I am buying like a bunch of bottles at once or I am buying like a bunch of glycerin

at once and then making all sorts of things.

But it is, you know, like I track all my expenses on QuickBooks and like it is

important for me to like know my numbers financially because I'm like very like not

****.

But like that stuff's like really important to me and it means I can set kind of goals for my

fundraising.

And I, you know, I grew up like on Benef,

right? So like I know some people that grow up like

that don't have a high value on money and they're just like, yeah, whatever and just

carry on that survival pattern.

And I know other people are like hardcore into savings and like financial management and

there's all this like fear and scarcity and I feel like I'm probably in that camp of like

wanting to control money in and out and like being really careful with spending and like

trying to set money aside for things and like having an annual budget rather than like a

month to month thing.

And that's just how my brain and my nervous System, system work in terms of, like,

soothing myself.

But yeah, if you can keep a track of your expenses because it will help you give that,

like, bigger pattern of how much everything is costing.

Okay, so in terms of fundraising, like, again, this is a whole big podcast interview.

But yeah, with the Solidarity apothecary, I have spent a long time building this bigger

support base and basically, like, like the majority, like 90 of what I do is funded by

the herbalism, PTSD and traumatic stress course.

So if you've signed up for that course and you've been able to put a donation in or pay,

you know, the full whack or even the resource price, then like, a huge thank you.

Because that course,

like, contribution literally enables all of this other medicine making.

I do, like, stuff for Calais, stuff for people experiencing, say, violence, getting

prisoners, herbal books, like all over the world.

Like, we just had 3,000 more printed and that's all,

like, really down to core sales.

You don't have to design like some massive online course.

Like, I also have this glycerin workshop which I sell and again, that helps cover medicine

making costs.

Like, you know, it's much smaller because I

don't kind of like market it as much.

But yeah, there is obviously this, like, embodied cost of building a Instagram

platform, building an email list,

you know, creating an online course.

And I know those, like, tech skills aren't for

everyone,

so, yeah, that's important to me and my livelihood and the project.

But you could maybe do like something smaller scale, like you could do a herb walk at your

local community garden and people could contribute and then that could pay for your

first batch of medicine boxes, for example.

You know, you can also try and get donations from companies, which, you know, can be really

difficult, but we've definitely done it with Calais.

You know, there are like, some grants around that you can apply for.

Like, I wouldn't depend on them as a strategy.

I don't think that there's that many with

herbal medicine, at least in the uk, that will sustain a project.

But you might be able to collaborate with like a community garden or something that has,

like, much more likely access for funds.

Like food, like food growing, horticulture

stuff is quite well funded, I would say.

I don't know, maybe I'm talking from years ago when I was in this, like, community food

workers co, op.

But yeah, you know, it is an option.

But yeah, just *******, you know, might just be like diying, like asking your friends to

chip in or.

Yeah, you know, having like,

you know.

Yeah, like a workshop somewhere.

Or like a benefit gig or whatever, just, you know, like, again, it is another podcast

episode.

All these grassroots fundraising strategies.

But for me, like these digital products are like my financial strategy that sustain the

sold out apothecary and all of this work.

You know, I also do the occasional, like, merchandise run that can be very effective.

That's what we do for the mobile herbal clinic Calais.

Thank you so much to everyone who's bought a plant.

No borders T shirt, but plants, no, no borders T shirt.

And then, yeah, I also have monthly supporters, so on my website people can chip

in and like, someone will think like, oh, three pounds, it doesn't make a difference.

But like me, like, this regular consistent income makes so much difference because I know

right in November I can afford to do like another mass order for glycerin or bottles or,

you know, I might very occasionally, like, if I'm really running on empty, I might have to

say no to someone of like, okay, I can't afford that postage.

But like, like when I promote my PTSD course, I should have a chunk of cash and I can get

them to you then,

you know, like,

yeah, you just have to do what you got to do.

But like, monthly donations are really,

really fantastic.

And yeah, I just,

yeah, I really wish with the Calais project we'd started that model much sooner.

Like, we're kind of lagging behind in terms of building that supporter base to sustain the

clinic.

Like, if, you know, like 300 herbalists, like all just chucked in a few quid every month.

Like, we wouldn't even have to do any other ******* fundraising.

Like, it would be amazing.

So,

yeah, I know social media is a pain in the ***.

I know it's all like evil, big tech surveillance, but like, you have to have

community support networks to sustain this kind of work.

Like, so.

Yeah.

Anyway,

that's kind of just what I wanted to say about fundraising,

if you want to learn some of these things.

I've mentioned my Making Herbal Medicine with

Glycerin workshop, but I talk there about like this warm glycerite method, which means you

can make medicine really potent, amazing medicine, like all year round.

My herbalism, PTSD and traumatic stress course is coming on the 22nd of September,

and it is awesome for anyone just like beginning their herbal journey.

Like, there's lessons about herbal safety,

about, you know, sustainable harvesting and wildcrafting, about medicine making,

as well as, like, detailed profiles of plants as well as all other trauma stuff.

But if you're like, I would love to make care packages, but I literally know Nothing right

now then.

That is a ******* amazing place to start

because I really think by the end of that course, like I would trust someone to make

medicine for their community safely and consistently.

Like I honestly would.

Like maybe that combined with the glycerin

workshop so that you've got some more of the nuances.

Yeah, I think that would give you like a super strong foundation.

And you know, I've got a whole podcast episode about this, but it really is like no one

turned away for lack of funds.

Like you can donate something every month, like as small as you can.

You can pay, you know, the full work payment plans.

Oh, you can just access it for free if needed.

It really is no one turned away flack of funds.

But I only open it like twice a year and that's so that I don't have to do like this

full time promotion, marketing.

I can get on in the other quarters with doing the things that I want to do, which are like

supporting people one to one,

building group programs like Hawthorne.

I'm working on this frontline herbalism

membership which is going to have like way more content and mentoring and support for

projects like watch this space.

I'm really excited about it.

It.

So yeah, anyway, and then my herbalism and state violence book also has like a ton of

recipes in there from the Calais project.

Like everything we make for Calais is in

there.

I've got stuff about like court support packs, what I've included and why, like there's like

a medicine making instruction and that's only six quid.

So yeah, may as well go and download that.

And finally I just wanted to talk about like the limits of care packages.

So you know,

like the medicine is in the,

you know, the receiving of care, right? Of sending solidarity, of making sure someone

doesn't feel alone.

Like if someone had sent me a care package

through my years of oppression, like I would have just ******* loved it.

Like I think,

you know, we live in such a horrible culture of like intense martyrdom and self neglect and

like people are just used like ******* cannon fodder.

Especially at the moment with all of these like,

you know, I talk about this more in the repression episode, but the kind of like

campaigns that kind of like optimize this like non violence quote unquote civil disobedience

where it's like let's just all get arrested for doing nothing and go to prison.

Like it just really winds me up.

I'm not dissing like the individuals that do

that, like I think they're ******* brave and I think they're desperate to do something to

support struggles.

And this is just the culture we're in.

It's like the water we're swimming in, if that

makes sense.

But.

But yeah, like, I want people to know in those, like, in the midst of that stuff that,

like, you are not disposable, like your body isn't.

You matter.

Your needs matter, your burnout matters, your

mental health matters, your physical health matters.

And I think sending a care package is just like a validation of that, that like, you are

also important in this struggle.

And caring for each other is like political and that we need each other and that we have

******* bodies that have needs and get sick and tell us when they're struggling.

And that's what, you know, herbs are incredible,

you know, supporting.

So, yeah, I think the medicine is really in

the kind of like.

Yeah, this kind of like, act of giving.

And yet sometimes, like, we obviously hit limits with a care package.

Like, people have like complex trauma and complex health issues and they need.

They may need that, like, really one to one support,

which is, you know, why I try to offer that with the apothecary.

I'm still not officially open for clients because I'm onboarding like 10 people with

Hawthorne at the moment.

And I literally have like a handful of hours a week where Liz and nursery.

So anyway,

I just, you know, care packages are amazing, but they don't have to be the only model.

It might be hosting a community garden.

And community medicine making is more

nourishing for people because they get to be with other people.

They get to like, overcome loneliness, they get to build connections,

you know, like rocks.

Like there was an interview with rocks all

about, like, solidarity medicine making and the work she's doing in Scotland.

And I just think that model is like, so inspiring because, like, it is the act of

herbalism that is amazing and life changing and life affirming for people.

So you don't have to just think about, like the package, right, and what's in it and where

it goes.

You can think about who's going to make these

packages.

Like, how can we organize workshops to do it?

Like, how can we, you know, build relationships with community gardens and other

projects to, like, build that infrastructure, you know, like, all of those kind of

relationships are like, really like where the sort of important relational kind of

revolutionary work is, in my opinion.

Anyway, I better get out of this car.

It's finally stopped raining.

So I'm gonna go and edit this and get it online.

Please check out the links in the show notes.

Also, it is the International Week of

Solidarity with Anarchist Prisoners.

So I'll put the link to that in the show notes

too.

Please write to a prisoner.

Please donate to a prisoner support crew.

I'm going to be sharing a podcast soon of a episode of an interview me and two comrades

did with the Final Straw Radio, an amazing anarchist radio all about like prisoner

support in a kind of long term conte sex.

So yeah, so check that out soon.

Okay, thanks for listening.

Bye.

Thanks so much for listening to the Frontline

Herbalism Podcast.

You can find the transcript, the links, all

the resources from the show at solidarityapothecary.

Org Podcast.